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Offline Paul Ciciotte

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Water St. Bridge closing
« on: March 12, 2010, 02:38:52 PM »
Why is the bridge closed everyday? This is freak-in ridiculous. The bridge was supposed to be closed a few days here and there not every freak-in day someone on that board better get to the bottom of this. I'm not going chase street or Lancaster road for the next freak-in year or so. If the brain trust down the bridge can't figure it out someone on the board should. I don't want to hear about it is a state road and it's their decision because that is bullshit. rumor has it that it was bid wrong and they need to close to make up time. I don't care about their time I care about mine and my fuel. Low bidder getting the job on a bridge is scary enough. Something better happen soon!

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Re: Water St. Bridge closing
« Reply #1 on: March 12, 2010, 09:11:31 PM »
Bob Kraft is getting his!   Just imagine Romney and Krafty cooking this up.  But it is our magic negro gov!
 
 
 Footbridge now political football   
    By Frank Mortimer  Published: Thursday, December 10, 2009 9:52 AM EST  A proposed $9 million pedestrian bridge over Route 1 was booted last week from the list of Massachusetts projects eligible for federal stimulus money amid rising concern among taxpayers and government officials about the funding.

But the project will get built with state money yet to be identified, Massachusetts Department of Transportation spokesman Colin Durrant said Wednesday.

"We're still committed to the project and we're exploring alternate sources of funding right now," Durrant said.

He said the change in the funding from federal to state will delay the construction while the DOT focuses on getting stimulus-funded projects "out the door."

  Selectmen chairman Paul Feeney sees a silver lining in the pause, giving the Kraft Group and the Patrick administration more time to show that the footbridge will serve an major office park the Kraft wants to build across Route 1 from Patriot Place.

The footbridge would link the two Kraft-owned complexes.

"I look forward to working with the Kraft Group as well as the administration in developing land on Route 1... to realize the return on taxpayer investment," , Feeney said Wednesday.

"The State should not put the cart before the horse, and must be certain that a large scale development is on the horizon."

Feeney said a cost-benefit analysis should be done to ensure that the contstruction of a footbridge will significantly affect the value, or marketability of the office park.

He said the state must be willing to work with the town to mitigate impact on our resources, and that allowing the town exclusive advertising right on the pedestrian bridge would help mitigate the office park's impacts on town resources.

Selectman Larry Harrington said the development will bring more local jobs, additional property taxes, will help many small businesses in the area, such as gas stations, convenient stores, and restaurants, and may even boost property values as workers choose to live near the complex.

He voiced confidence that the state will find the money to build the footbridge.

"I hope people keep focused on the goal and agree that public-private partnerships do work," Harrington said.

That partnership does, however, raise some procedural complexities.

For example, the Kraft Group will not release its renderings of the taxpayer funded pedestrian bridge until the bridge's design is approved by the state, a Kraft spokesman said Tuesday.

"To date, we have had various renderings and anticipate several more before we make a formal submittal of the plans," New England Patriots spokesman Stacey James said via email. "Knowing that it will continue to change, I would prefer to wait until we have an approved rendering before we publicize it."

In a subsequent discussion, James added that "When the Massachusetts DOT has a rendering they've approved, it will become a public record. It doesn't involve the Kraft Group. We are not in a position to publicize these renderings without MassDOT approving them first."

Then there is the funding.

A year ago, the Patrick administration picked the vast Kraft Group property around the stadium as the centerpiece of a Growth District eligible for part of a $55 million special state fund for "shovel ready" projects. The pedestrian bridge, which was part of Kraft plans dating back a decade, was to be part of that state-funded plan.

But just weeks ago the pedestrian bridge was included on a list of 33 Massachusetts projects to be paid for with federal stimulus money.

The ground shifted again last Friday, with news that the bridge had been removed from list of stimulus-funded projects because the Obama administration felt the state had "more important projects to fund with Recovery dollars.".

As of last Thursday, an engineering firm working on the project was even unclear on whether the design approval will come from the town or from the state Department of Transportation.

"MassDOT has not confirmed to us who the Permitting authority will be," engineer Kevin McNamara of RDK Engineers wrote to building commission William Casbarra on Dec. 3.

Offline Paul Ciciotte

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Re: Water St. Bridge closing
« Reply #2 on: March 13, 2010, 09:39:01 AM »
What does that have to do with the water street bridge being closed?

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Re: Water St. Bridge closing
« Reply #3 on: March 13, 2010, 10:19:10 PM »
 
 
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What does that have to do with the water street bridge being closed?
     
Not a thing, Paul, not a thing...    Check, please!

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Re: Water St. Bridge closing
« Reply #4 on: March 14, 2010, 07:02:33 PM »
The reason it is closed is money. When they close it they dont have to pay 2 flagmen $41.00 an hr each.  The bridge is still open to emergency vehicles.

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Re: Water St. Bridge closing
« Reply #5 on: March 14, 2010, 07:06:07 PM »
I also forgot. Its not a state road or state money. Its a state project with federal money and they have no authority to close the road.

Offline Paul Ciciotte

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Re: Water St. Bridge closing
« Reply #6 on: March 17, 2010, 06:48:39 PM »
There are traffic lights on each side of the bridge. there is no need for flagmen. this is a f___ing joke. the reason for putting the lights on both sides was to keep one side of the bridge open and no need for police of flagmen. Someone from the slectmen better friggin answer the question "WHY IS THIS BRIDGE CLOSED!!!"

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Re: Water St. Bridge closing
« Reply #7 on: March 17, 2010, 07:14:34 PM »
There are traffic lights on each side of the bridge. there is no need for flagmen. this is a f___ing joke. the reason for putting the lights on both sides was to keep one side of the bridge open and no need for police of flagmen. Someone from the slectmen better friggin answer the question "WHY IS THIS BRIDGE CLOSED!!!"

Dude,

don't blow a gasket, the selectmen never answer questions, well some of them used to but that was in another time.

I think you should go to the next meeting and ask them why the bridge is closed...Now I'll make like Karnack the mind reader and give you the stock answer: We'll have to ask the DPW superintendent!

Or Dickhaut will just blow you the F*** off! She's good at that.

Have you ever thought about running for selectman?

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Re: Water St. Bridge closing
« Reply #8 on: March 17, 2010, 08:30:29 PM »
Not much money for bridges, but plenty of stuff for illegal aliens and foolish ventures.  Vote democrat!  Vote Kennedy!!!

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Re: Water St. Bridge closing
« Reply #9 on: March 17, 2010, 10:02:14 PM »
They close it because during the day when they are working they are constantly coming onto the roadway with equipment that would require someone to direct traffic around the equipment coming on and off the road. This would require 2 flaggers or 1 police officer. Remember that this was given to the lowest bidder who is now trying to save every dime because he bid low to get the job.

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Re: Water St. Bridge closing
« Reply #10 on: March 18, 2010, 07:48:22 AM »
Is the bid public information?  I would suggest looking at it, see what was bid and how the work was described to be done.  I'm sure that no one would have accepted a bid like this on a main road in/out of town without keeping the road open.

Look at the bid, the answer is there.
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